CLIFF NOTES.
-Hankooks are wider than Azenis...period
-We are going with +40 offset, and +36 instead of +20 for the second option
-EF/EG/EK/DA/DC all fit about the same max backspacing on the inside, the first point of contact is the rear upper control arm
-ideal setup (or me anyway) looking to be 15x8 with +40 front and +36 rear with 195/50-15 Hankooks or 205/50-15 Azenis
Ok, I went back to 949Racing yester day (11/19/06) and we did some test fitting on my EJ1 (EG) and a CRX (EF).
Something really interesting happened when we went to measure the tread width of the tires....
My Tealtoe, as you might recall, is running 205/50-15 Falken Azenis.
Kinda hard to see, but we are looking at about 7.5" if I am looking at the correct reference point.
Now, check out a 205/50-15 Hankook R-S2:
Um....8.25"!?!?! Wow, no wonder the Hankooks filled out that 8" wide wheel so well!
Which begs the question. If a 205/50 R-S2 is 3/4" bigger than a 205/50 Azenis, how wide is a 195/50 R-S2? Well...
about 7.75"
Here is a height comparison of the 205/50-15 tires. Hankook left, Falken right:
Hankook is obviously shorter.
Here is an above shot:
To recap the sizing, in order of actual measured tread width:
Falken Azenis 205/50-15 : 7.5"
Hankook Ventus R-S2 195/50-15 : 7.75"
Hankook Ventus R-S2 205/50-15 : 8.25"
We tossed the 205/50-15 on the 15x8 6UL wheel, +40, and test fitted on an EG chassis. Keep in mind my Civic is not running additional camber. It has not been altered in anyway. Camber exhibited is just from lowering.
EJ1 Rear
EJ1 Front
Yes, I have dicked around with the fenders on this Tealtoe Civic:
Read about what I did here Yeah, so a racer is not going to run this low, so, we get a pretty decent idea of the clearance at a pretty good amount of compression.
FIT ON THE EG:
Same as the EK....there is room in the front, and in the rear the wheel is hitting the control arm. A little less backspacing is needed there.
Next, we tossed these on a CRX to see how the fit was on an EF chassis. The car was on stock springs, so to simulate a lowered stance we jacked up the left rear wheel to compress the right front:
Front EF:
Clearance at radius rod, this is with the car on the ground, rf corner compressed. There was plenty of clearance at the tie rod as well.
Rear EF:
Again, there was contact at the darn
control arm:
So by all this fitting, we have decided that instead of offering +40 and +20, 949Racing 6UL wheels are to be available in +40 and +36 offsets. The ideal setup on DA/DC/EF/EG/EK looks to be either +40 all around with a 3-5 mm spacer in the rear, or +40 in the front and +36 in the back for those not wanting a spacer.
Also, due to low demand, the black/polished wheels are being axed in favor of a satin black finish, similar to the color on my RPF1s.
For tires, the best choice for fit is the 195/50 R-S2, or even a 195/50 Azenis, which we are guessing is about 1/4" narrower than the R-S2. For more contact patch with a reasonable compromise in fit, the 205/50 R-S2 is the way to go. 225/50 R-S2s will fit, but you are going to be on your own making it happen with the fenders. In reality, the 205/50 Hankooks should be adequite.
Thanks for reading!!!
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Marcus